Recently, JRE released a podcast between Dave Smith, Joe Rogan, and Douglas Murray. The comment section of that episode are nothing short of shortsighted and simply in denial of the actual argument of Douglas.
A bunch of them commented something like “Douglas just attacks Dave. Zero points of Dave been addressed by Douglas. What a pity guy, …” which truly astonishes me, so I decided to write something about it.
What follows is my exposé of what Dave-The-Comedian, Joe Rogan and Darryl Cooper are getting wrong.
The Integrity Gap
Dave Smith, Darryl Cooper, Joe Rogan, and a bunch more X’ers and right leaning people (collectively “JR/DS/DC”) insist that “there’s no harm in simply discussing ideas.” That sounds noble, but it collapses once you admit that ideas carry momentum. We all recognize limits—no one seriously proposes bonding with mortality through necrophilia—yet these podcasters defend Holocaust‑minimizing talking points that belong on the same fringe of moral absurdity.
History Is Not a Choose‑Your‑Own‑Adventure
The atrocities of World War II are among the most thoroughly documented events in human history. Entertaining contrarian, debunked narratives doesn’t refine our understanding; it paves the on‑ramp to the next atrocity by normalizing the denial of evil aspects of humanity. Downplaying the past numbs our collective capacity to recognize it when it re‑emerges.
Sensationalism Isn’t Scholarship
Smith, Cooper, and Rogan are not historians; they’re professional storytellers. Their business model – provocation, virality, “just asking questions” – demands novelty, not accuracy. By selectively quoting sources and hosting revisionists without equally rigorous scholars, they tilt the table toward sensationalism and away from truth.
Four Ways They Get It Wrong
- No Context, All Conspiracy
Complex claims are served without a preamble, courting listeners already primed to distrust “government, science, history, academia.” - Cherry‑Picked Evidence
Documents are lifted from context to imply scholarly controversy long since settled by peer‑reviewed research. - Idea-Momentum Imbalance
For every fringe guest who pitches a “real story” of WWII, they would need dozens of credentialed historians to restore balance. That never happens. - Entertainers ≠ Experts
You wouldn’t hire a comedian to design a bridge. Why trust one to adjudicate genocide statistics or the psychology of totalitarianism?
Why Douglas (and the Rest of Us) Won’t Play Along
Douglas Murray’s central point is simple: debating long‑refuted falsehoods with unqualified hosts is a waste of time. Hire a real historian, not “a joker,” if you genuinely want the facts.
The Bottom Line
Podcasts can inspire, inform, and even comfort us in chaotic times—but only when their hosts treat evidence with respect. Until Smith, Cooper, Rogan, and company start weighting expertise over spectacle, their WW II revisionism isn’t free speech in service of truth; it’s entertainment in service of ignorance.
And that, ultimately, is a failure of integrity, and thus an opportunity for restoration of that which has been spoiled.
